by Ernest L. Norman

Let us now hear from those who have not previously been asking questions. As Einstein says, we are never fools until we stop asking.

Q – On his successive trips, Mr. Fry in his space-flight didn’t have this nose bleeding. How is this?

A – It merely means that he had placed that experience within the realm of his conscious mind and integrated it; and so he took the experience out of the realm of psychic shock. He was no longer influenced by that sudden subjugation which is based primarily on the sudden influx of fear. He had been transported into a dimension of which he knew nothing and was fearful of it, and it had an immediate effect on him. It would be the same as if a “bogie-man” jumped out of the dark at you. But the following trips were familiar situations.

Q – He really believes he went in his physical body, was this done in a sleep state?

A – No, no. He did go in his physical body, but the physical is now not the physical body which is subjected to the common ordinary gravitational pull or the laws of gravitation as exist on earth. The atoms of his body had become isotopes. They are vibrating in a high spiritual plane instead of those down here in this 3rd dimension. The change was a temporary one. The Kuhuna fire-walkers of Hawaii have known something of these principles for ages. An American major went over there in 1948 or 1949 and gave a very authoritative account of how they walk on red-hot coals and stones. The Voodoos still do it in Louisiana, Florida, and South America, in the voodoo cultures amongst the people there, as well as in certain places in India.

What this means is that through the process of psychokinesis of the mind, which is an autosuggestion by itself, they have succeeded, either with their own minds or the minds of others, in changing the rate of vibration of the atoms in their bodies so that instead of the flesh being a resistive element against heat so that it burns the flesh or destroys it, the heat passes right through and does it no damage. Flesh, therefore, is not reactive to heat. It is as simple as that. The one thing that is not simple is just how this vibration rate is changed.

Q – In Fry’s case, when did this change take place?

A – When he stepped up into the ship through the door. If you remember in his account of this, in his book The White Sands Incident, the spacemen were able to change the atomic structures of the door by remote control. Light was transposed into another dimensional frequency and passed through the metal structure of the door, which then appeared as if it were glass or transparent; later it would re-transpose back into the vibrating frequency which was discernible to the eye. It is merely changing the energy from one dimension into another.

Q – You mean this is the same thing they did with his body?

A – Exactly. As far as that is concerned, the same principle will be involved in any future flights into space from this planet just as from any other planet.

When the scientists have mastered that principle, they will not need to be concerned with how many G’s a person’s body can take when the flier blasts off in a rocket. In fact, he won’t even have to have or need rockets then. These ships will use and obey these great celestial lines of magnetic force and use the power of these great cosmic structures of the universe which holds the planets in their orbits and which causes the sun to radiate light and many other things such as this.

Q – Was this true in Adamski’s case?

A – These principles are true regardless of who went out in outer spacecraft. When the eartheans came within the immediate vicinity of the craft, they were transposed into another dimension.

In another vein of thought:

Q – You speak of the highly balanced body. As I understand it, the blood stream is a very sacred thing, and we are produced physically from the two cells on up, and we carry it constantly. All these things which they are now doing, shooting the blood full of all kinds of dope and such, doesn’t this interfere with our development and our balance?

A – Yes, certainly it does. Let us though, consider whether you care to call blood sacred or profane. The blood is merely another element, say energy, in transposition. It performs certain functions in which it is carrying off the wastes and interjecting oxygen into the metabolism of the tissues. So blood is merely an agent; but these foreign elements injected into the blood stream are only crutches. The same is true of other concepts which medicine uses today. In this study we are getting at the basic cause which is in the psychic body. If physicians realize this fact they won’t need to use so many of these various processes in the hospitals. For instance, if you have diabetes, your pancreas has ceased to function so there is very definitely something wrong with the hookup between the physical and the psychic bodies. If you have leukemia, which is cancer of the blood cells, the phagocytes or the leukocytes have gone wild or rampant and are devouring the red corpuscles. Why did they lose their intelligence? Why did they become cannibalistic and carnivorous to their own kind? Because of their hookup or alignment, they lost their intelligence.

Cancer in the system is the same thing. The atoms compose all the molecules and the molecules in turn compose all the cells and maintain their intelligence, just as we have described to you here. When any of these cells lose that continuity of intelligence from the psychic body, they are no longer vibrating in that same element and transposition. When they cannot function according to their own plane from whence they came, they become erratic; they become speeded up and are destructive in nature, whether the condition is leukemia, cancer, or any other malformation in the human system. Even the nervous system itself, when out of balance, expresses as muscular dystrophy or cerebral palsy, diabetes and many other of the so-called incurable complaints. The cells have lost the continuity between themselves and their psychic body because of certain aberrations and certain malformations of the wave form structures, as they were contained in the vortexes of the psychic self.

Q – Can you lose this hookup between the psychic and the physical?

A – When you lose this connection and tie-up, you are dead. You have lost your physical and gone on to the astral realms, yes.

Q – The disease is a deficiency in the psychic body?

A – This would be relative to psychic shock again. This is the concept of the old Yogi karma; in other words, if we suffer some severe shock, such as losing a loved one, or have an auto accident or as being stabbed in the heart or shot in the head, these all produce psychic shock. Thus we get these amalgamations of wave forms in the psychic body, as I have been explaining here. The process of thinking projects these wave forms back into this psychic self and creates these malformed structures and aberrated wave forms. Now if these are malformed and are not intelligent structures, they continue to oscillate for thousands of years that same incurable disease back into the body. This fact is easily proven because when a person recognizes and accepts these psychic shocks, the disease disappears completely and the patient is healed instantly. I have seen this happen many times.

Q – Then there is a possibility of a deficiency there?

A – No, it is not necessarily a deficiency but just too much of the wrong thing or negative vortexes.

Q – Does not the person spend much time in between incarnations perfecting this psychic body?

A – In regard to a person making preparations between reincarnations, it is at least partially true. Let us visualize a person as having a life cycle. This circle represents a concept, in this case, a life cycle. It has a basic vibrating frequency. Now within these frequencies are other little frequencies; millions and millions of these tiny frequencies compose a life cycle. Each one of these frequencies is a minute wave form, each one with its own I.Q. or intelligence quotient. In this concept, which comes from the Infinite Mind, are all the things of the Infinite Nature of Creation. And so in living these experiences in this life cycle, as the man revolves around through the different terrestrial dimensions, he comes, through experience, into actual integration with what he has previously conceived from the Infinite before he ever started out there.

Q – Would these negative structures in the psychic body be the cause of cancer then?

A – Yes, because every one of these controlling forces form every one of the hundreds of trillions of atoms in your body (you could put 100,000 of them on the point of a pin and you couldn’t see them), and you have literally trillions of trillions of these atoms in your body and every one is controlled from the psychic self because this psychic self is just like this same plan of vortexes. At the small end of the vortexes is a tiny atom; that force, that energy is continually coming into these atoms at all times. The energy is not in the atom but is flowing into it. The atom itself contains a very small amount of energy. When the scientist explodes the thermonuclear bomb, he is tapping what Einstein called the 4th dimension.

Q – Do I understand then, that these cells have a very old memory? They know just what to do, etc.?

A – You are creating and re-creating in your body every minute one million five hundred thousand new cells. Every one of them comes into your body and replaces the old cell as it ceases to function, from the same wave form which gave it its preceding wave form and atomic structure. It is a chain reaction that never stops.

Q – Would you say they have an infinite memory?

A – An infinite memory, yes, because as I said, that energy repeats and regenerates itself over in its I.Q., in its wave form until infinity, because in these dimensions, when we get out beyond the 3rd dimension, we do not know the concept of time as it is in this dimension. Energy does not react according to time. If you would look into your encyclopedia and find Einstein’s law explained to you, so far as this dimension is concerned, you will find that the determining factor is time; time as it was expressed with light and the speed of light. When we get beyond the barrier of the speed of light into other dimensions, we have different time quotients. Under such conditions energy exists in a cyclic form so that it repeats itself. You can take any one of these basic sine waves and by expressing it in what we say electrical components, for instance in a vacuum tube we have a grid, a plate, and an emitting surface, which is a cathode, a stream of electrons or the wave forms which stem across from the cathode to the plate of the tube are modulated by the grid. We interject resistance, capacity, etc., of different circuitry which control the elements of the plate of the tube. We change a basic sine wave of energy traveling across the screen into other components such as this.

Take, for example, energy expressing itself in the electric light. This energy or pulsation which comes out from that light is not light in the commonly accepted term because the pulsations must strike the rods and cones in your eye; they must go through what we call a regeneration process through the phosphorus which is coated on the ends of the rods and cones. So you again perceive these things according to the realm of concept. As you have grown up from a child, you visualize these things merely because certain things absorb or radiate energy.

Q – How about in the higher dimensions. Is this true there?

A – Yes, only very much more so. There, instead of having pores in your skin which are used as sweat glands and you are excreting moisture therefrom, they actually become—if you can imagine it—sensing devices, so you can conceive all through your body instantaneously. There, vibration strikes into the pulsations of radiant energy of which your body is composed so that you hear, you see, you feel and breathe instantaneously. This is the difference.

Q – Is it possible to raise your vibration so that these negations could disappear?

A – It is possible and as you know, in the New Testament, Jesus did heal many persons who came to Him; but first, they had to believe. What this meant was that temporarily, at least for a few seconds, they took their objective mind away from the subconscious, all of these evil or negative impingements of wave forms and vortexes in the psychic body which related the person to the conscious mind. Now when the individual lifted this objectivism from that negative little quotient in that subterranean part of the psychic self, healing could take place, for then an instant attunement with the superconsciousness was made. In that condition no imperfection can exist in the body. Everything instantly becomes perfect.

Now, I just want to say that Ruth and I feel very fortunate to be a part of this great plan; it is our purpose in the future and if there is anyone among you here who persists in these courses and teachings and takes them into your own consciousness and works with them—you may not get it this year, you may not get it in three years, but if you persist, you will eventually get it; you can do just exactly as Ruth and I are doing, just as it has been done before. We do not claim that we are superhuman or anything else other than common ordinary human beings; we take no credit for it because it is Principle which the Infinite wishes every one of us to know and to realize. That is the determining point in our evolution where we go beyond that place where we become subjective or we become super because now we realize what psychic shock is, what its relationship is to us, and how to cancel it out when it does occur, and how to avert it and how to help other people to do it for themselves.

Q – What about the shock treatments they give?

A – Electric shock treatments are the same as that which the witch doctor in the jungles does except that the witch doctor knows what he is doing. The entity who is obsessing the person who is being shocked suffers the pain because he has taken over the body. He has usurped the body and so he suffers the pain and shock of electricity or insulin, so he would draw away, wouldn’t he? He gets away from the person but he will come back again. Why? Because nothing has been done for the patient. The psychiatrist does not know what he is doing but the witch doctor does; he puts on rattles and a mask and tries to frighten the character out of the man’s life. Both methods are crude. One is no better than the other. There is a much more logical and tangible way to do these things, and not only that, but we can give the patient the protection he deserves.

In another lesson, we will go into obsessions and what they really are—even more important, how to remove them from your own self and then also to take them away from other people. And when they come from you, it will be just like removing a porous plaster.

Q – Will their meditations in the intervals make them stay away from such crude methods as the shock treatments?

A – It all depends upon how much the human brain can stand of the electricity going through it or how much the human body can suffer from the insulin shock. What the whole thing is—the psychiatrist is hoping to shock whatever is possessing the individual; actually most of them do recognize the fact there may be external influences. If you will remember in William James’ philosophy and in Pierce’s, the teacher of James, obsession was taught very thoroughly. It was only till the time of Freud, who did not understand exorcism or the casting out of evil spirits, which developed a new race of psychiatrists who likewise had no clairvoyance, realization or concept, so they discarded the most valuable part of the whole philosophy of life. That is why we have such a high rate of incidence among mental aberrations today because there is no cure. They can temporarily disassociate a person through thought habits and patterns and effect a temporary stalemate but usually when the obsessing entity returns, it is a continuance. We will take that all up with you in a later lesson.

Excerpt from The Infinite Concept Of Cosmic Creation