by Ernest L. Norman

Q – [Can] someone project evil to you?

A – Indeed!

Q – But if you do not accept it? If your mind is above that, does it not ward it off?

A – That is exactly what Jesus meant when he said, “Turn the other cheek.” In other words, he did not mean that if someone came up and whacked you on the head that you must say, “Here, now, hit here too.” What he meant was that you should live on a higher level of integration with your life forces, a spiritual level. Then if anyone did hit you, you could turn around and take that negative force that caused that person to strike you and turn that completely around, change it and instead of it then being a negative sequence you could create a positive from it; by projecting a force to him founded and bounded by love and understanding, you were then above that negative thought and deed. That is turning the other cheek.

Q – Then it will bounce back and hit him?

A – We would never wish to become vindictive in these things because that is putting ourselves down to his level; instead–we will put it this way–suppose someone gave me a rubber check and it bounced, I would mark that check paid and mail it back to him.

Q – I meant if you did not know anything about it and someone was sending negative thoughts and we maintained a higher consciousness, then it would return to him, would it not?

A – It might revert in this sense because here is the way that man was doing by creating those negative energies toward you; he is creating those negative forces within his own psychic body! That is his karma. He is going to have to work that out later on because he cannot get anywhere upstairs until he takes all these nasty black things from out his psychic self for they cannot live up there. These negative wave forms will hold him down here until he reconstructs his psychic body so he can get upstairs. You can call it reciprocation if you like or ricocheting or compensation, but whatever we do is impinged within our own psychic self. It is our own basis or level of integration or equilibrium.

Student: I like to think of it as a boomerang and what I send to others, if not good, boomerangs back to me.

Teacher: Yes, you can think of it that way if you wish. It is another case of the four blind men all seeing or feeling the different parts of the elephant differently and when we get to the point where we walk all around the elephant and see it in its entirety, then we begin to know what truth is. Whatever way we have of visualizing Truth in any of our expressions at the present moment is all very wonderful because it is all part of you and is the basis in which you can understand the little wave forms that come to you as experience.

These discussions are all very wonderful. I appreciate every one of them because it not only gives you a chance to find out some things but it also gives me an opportunity to learn a few more things too, for we never give but what we do not receive. When we give, we make room to receive. We should remember that, for it is very basic in the fundamental concept.

Student: I think these sessions are very cherished occasions.

Teacher: Indeed, they are very cherished. I believe it is the second epistle of James under Acts that says, or where he points out to us that it is very godlike for man to gather together in groups and discuss his personal problems and share in the experiences of life. In functioning from various levels of intelligence, you create the necessary forces for personal spiritual levitation. It is not in exactly those words but that is the meaning. It is very godlike to share with each other because then we are becoming active participants of that Infinite, Creative God-Force; we are giving and receiving.

Q – If people meet together in this way with the right motive and purpose, is it not true that a great amount of power is generated?

A – Yes, they do that. And not only in the seen world and with your friends, but all people with whom you are associated on this plane receive the help and benefit of your coming here. There is a great field of spiritual forces or power which is projected just as the transmitter projects pictures into your television and so you are projecting these Infinite Rays of Creative Integrated Power into all of the people you know because you are linked to them with the sync pulses you saw on this television screen. They are going to be better for your having come up here! That not only goes for the living, but for the unseen multitudes in the spiritual worlds that need help too. They are grouped around in these gatherings by the hundreds–by the thousands, and they are sharing these things with us.

Student: That is very wonderful how we are linked up like a machine!

Teacher: Yes, it is very factual, it is very demonstrable; it can be linked up and counterlinked and explained in a manner that is beyond question or doubt. We have many people in the world today who are trying to teach but do not know these principles: synchronization, integration, cycular motion, wave forms, etc., etc. They talk about things; they say God has laws; God has no laws because the Infinite is the sum, total and substance of everything! Why would He need laws? It is only man who makes laws and when he makes laws, he sets up a great big problem for himself; and so in breaking these laws, he creates a great guilt complex. And there is nothing more degenerating than a guilt complex because the person who has the guilt complex seldom realizes what he has and he goes around trying to take it out on other people. He is continually building up his own ego at someone else’s expense because that guilt complex is continually deflating him. He realizes it is there subconsciously but he cannot put his finger on it. He feels it. That is the problem in teaching little children in Sunday School that they were conceived in sin; it creates a big guilt complex.

The ways in which people are taught in churches, as far as Christianity is concerned, that Christ was the only begotten Son, that makes all the rest of us illegitimate! Where did we come from? Isn’t it very unrealistic? They teach you hell-fire and damnation on one hand, then on the other hand, teach you that all you have to do is spend your life getting drunk and committing all the evil you want, then at the end of this life all you need do is say, “Jesus, save me,” and he comes down and snatches you up by the hair of your head into some Celestial Dimension about which you know nothing! Very unrealistic! One contradicts the other. No wonder Karl Marx said, “Christianity is the opiate of the people,” because when people get these great neuroses and guilt complexes, what do they do? They go rushing to the church; they go rushing here and there or wherever they can find an outlet for them. And so they blame it all on God; they say, “God is punishing me for something that I did, or that I failed to do,” or that “I was born in sin,” and various other contradictions and malformations which are absolutely foreign to an intelligent hypothesis of life. The only reason why they got the way they are is because they did not realize who or what God was and they took themselves away from the realization and purpose of their intelligent self, which is the God within.

Q – Would it be that it is the system of the church that puts us on the wrong track?

A – Certainly. Many people who have gone to church all their lives are going to have to ‘unlearn’ some of those things and are going to have to start going to classes like you are doing now. They are going to do that in some other dimension, ‘upstairs’; they may come back into this earth life in some future time, 100 or 200 years from now, wherever these truths are being taught, and they will be taught in the grade schools of the future because it is the only realistic approach to life.

Student: It would be a wonderful thing if they could have that instrumentation used on Mars you described that would teach them Truth.

Teacher: When they are ready for it, they will be given that instrumentation to teach them, and through the Savants who come through UN.AR.I.U.S. and other Spiritual Dimensions, man will be given those machines, the instrumentations to see the psychic self and to see the dimensions which are beyond this dimension.

Q – Is it not true that if we properly prepare ourselves, we can learn to attune ourselves, then man can learn to accomplish and surpass anything any machine can do?

A – That is exactly right, but at the same time, we must always have to realize that while we, in ourselves, as individuals may with purpose do those things, there are many people on many levels of life who cannot do those things for themselves. They have to have machinery or mechanisms to do them. Nowadays, science puts its stamp of approval on everything. You’ll use cold cream or anything in the world which science says is good. Anything which has chlorophyll or something else on the label, you buy it, you drink it, you rub it on, you bathe in it because science says it’s good for you. You may even smoke cigarettes with filters in them believing that you can get by that big man trap!

So why are you smoking if you smoke cigarettes with filters? It’s illogical, it’s inconclusive; you are already admitting to yourself that it is the wrong thing to do in life. So all of those things add up to a sum and total.

Q – UN.AR.I.U.S. teaches that we must unlearn that which we have, through these years, striven to learn; what do you suggest is the best way to teach our children–try to teach them what we have learned then?

A – No, the first concept that you teach a child, and do not worry about the children for many children coming in know more than we do–you teach them this one basic concept and from then on in she will add things unto herself. Teach that child that she has the Infinite (or God) within her and never to do any overt act of which she would be ashamed that God would see her do; always make her conscious of God working within her and then do not worry about anything else.

Q – Would it be better not to send her to Sunday School?

A – You can use your judgment on that. Personally, as a little boy, I did not believe in Sunday School or anything that they taught; it was their believed history as far as the Bible was concerned, but that was about all. So I used to play hooky from Sunday School whenever I got the chance and ran the risk of getting a licking for it. So you can suit yourself whether you want to send your child to Sunday School; there are Sunday Schools where they do teach practical metaphysics and there are others that teach the old sin complexes, so we must discern what they teach. If you teach the child that she has everything within her, that she was constructed from the vital forces of the Infinite (God) and that she can express all these things outwardly; if you can get it across to the child, then you do not have any worries about where she is going or what she does.

Q – This applies to us adults too?

A – Indeed, it does. Children born into this world at this time are very precocious, old souls, and are very advanced in their time. Just give them a little headway. Mozart, as you know, was composing music at the age of three and wrote a symphony before he was eight. And now, too, many of these older entities again are coming in for the New Age.

Q – What about this mind or “brain-instructing” machine which they say generates about one million megacycles?

A – That is a good point too, because we know that on other planets such as Mars which I have visited, they educate their children, not in schools, but instead they place a small crystal supersonic speaker under their pillows. He can’t hear it with the physical ear; it vibrates for an hour or so and gives him his lesson into his psychic body (sub-consciously); then the following day he has this intelligence.

The same process is involved here because energy has to be broken down into energy constituents, light or sound.

As you saw light and sound on the (oscilloscope) screen, both are pulsating energy. Negative energy does certain things in the psychic self which psychiatry calls the subconscious. Therefore, this energy is continually revolving and reflecting outwardly whenever the conscious mind so objectifies that particular thing, because the conscious mind is only a switchboard where you objectify or make extractions of your best experiences. No one thinks from this mind. You are only relating past experiences into it. We start thinking when we get upstairs and lift the focus, as when we take a magnifying lens and focus the sun’s rays on a spot; our objective mind is the focus of experience. When we can lift that focus from ourselves long enough, or even for a few seconds, we can get very miraculous healings and adjustments.

Q – Do you think all this advancement of science will compel mankind into using a universal language?

A – It certainly will because there isn’t anyone who could study energy or man as he truly exists from this standpoint, as we are explaining it to you here in these lessons, who would not see the universality of man, whether he is expressing himself in any one or a number of dimensions; whether he is comparatively ignorant, a savage in the bush country makes no difference whatsoever. We are all brothers and sisters; we are all constructed the same way, we all function in the same manner, we all have the same relationship to the Infinite, there is no difference. Some of us have come up two or three steps on the ladder of evolution and others four or five, that is all. When people understand these things they will start melting down their battleships and their bombers and start making useful things of them.

Q – Would it be possible to make this instrument you mentioned which they have on Mars, to teach people here?

A – That is possible; when I can make the contacts with the scientists, I can make the other contacts through clairvoyance, and I will gladly assist in any way to bring these things into the world if they are not ahead of the time of acceptance, of the threshold of perception. You cannot give these things to people unless they are ready and suited for them. It is like giving sharp knives to babies with which to play. That is what happened with the atom bomb; the first thing they had to do was to try it on humans and kill and injure two or three million of them.

Q – Does this bomb affect the higher dimensions?

A – All energies are supported from huge dimensions of energy, from way topside until we get down to the atoms through these different transpositions. When the scientist explodes an atom, he not only releases the energy within the atom itself but there must be a supporting structure which supports that atom and pours energy into it at all times. What he does is like temporarily making a lot of little holes in a whole sieve of light in the entire structure of the entire Infinite Creation. Momentarily and before the thing can be shut off, he has liberated the whole cosmic universe in one blinding flash or explosion. He has not only wasted it but he has created a very dangerous situation because out of these activations come wave forms, energies and various other things of a psychic nature of which the scientist knows nothing. We are affecting other people on other planets and in other dimensions and raising havoc in general.

Q – Won’t that bring on the expected cataclysm? We can’t avoid these things if we keep on this way, can we?

A – It could. Fortunately, science has come to the process of reasoning that way. The scientists themselves have finally reached the point where they are striving very energetically through the various factions and leaders in Washington to discontinue the atomic explosions. Oppenheimer has been making a series of lectures, pointing out these great psychic cataclysms of energy which is released at the explosion of an atom bomb or a thermonuclear weapon. Because Mr. Oppenheimer is a spiritual person, he is somewhat developed to where he can see these effects.

That is why he withheld for ten months the information which made possible the use of these bombs over Hiroshima, because he knew what would happen when the information was given to the political leaders of this country–sharp knives to little babies. Science today is very definitely working along these lines. They have arrived where they can conclude atomic explosions and develop their science into more constructive and less explosive channels; thus it will mean much to the people. They are getting to the point now where they do not need to use the great masses of equipment which they call cyclotrons and betatrons which are used in shooting an atom to pieces. They shoot these electronic “bombs” through the negative quotients of energy which surround the nuclei of the atom. Sooner or later one will hit or come in contact with the proton of the center of the atom and so it explodes and flies apart. An atom is not a very dense thing; the density could be compared to that of spreading a dozen eggs over 40 acres of ground. This is about the density of our bodies. Every second there are literally thousands of cosmic energy particles known as cosmic rays which pass through our bodies and we can exist an entire lifetime and none of them ever strike us. So we are not dense at all but practically transparent, so to speak. As far as energy is concerned, we do not exist in a solid form.

Q – Regarding reincarnation, is it the will of the individual which chooses his place and time of incarnating or is that a universal intelligence which directs?

A – It is partly one and yet it is both. Referring back to our concept of understanding the life cycle, all experience, all infinity is placed in that life cycle; but the average person who starts reincarnating into the world of experience on the terrestrial dimensions and continually relates his experiences, may appear back into these planes hundreds of times until he incurs sufficient of these experiences to form a strong substantial psychic body. The development of his psychic body becomes the determining point or pivoting point of his evolution. From there on, he arrives at the fork of the road, and he begins to determine the constructive process of life.

Q – Then each disease of the mind or body would then have a different vibration?

A – That is correct because every one of those vortexes has a different frequency level from which it radiates. Its basic level is contradictory or foreign to the law of frequency relationship to a true, practical and progressive level of intelligence. In other words, the organ or condition is out of harmony, as we would say, not in its basic cyclic equation. It is progressive or retrograde according to the laws of vibration. It would be contradictory, as when we play two chords on the piano keyboard which were out of harmony with each other. We say a person has diabetes; the doctor says his pancreas gland doesn’t function. Why doesn’t the pancreas work? Simply because the supporting intelligence which is from the psychic self, expressing through the chakras and through the various other centers of the psychic self into the physical body, is relating every atom in that pancreas to an intelligent or unintelligent continuity of experience. The doctors today do not know that fact, so they keep on looking for the cause of the diabetes somewhere in the pancreas. He will never find it there because it does not come from there. It merely means that all of the intelligent energy which is supposed to support that pancreas in a natural expression of insulin into the bloodstream which controls the sugar content, has been lost; it is broken down through some process.

Q – You mentioned that when a person commits suicide he partly destroys the psychic body. If a person is killed by another, would this not also tend to have the same effect?

A – Yes, to some extent or degree; it not only seriously damages the psychic self but will disarrange the continuity of the entire psychic structures. For instance, if you hit a bell too loudly, as in the case of the Liberty Bell, it will crack because of the vibrating frequencies. Caruso used to tap a glass to find its tone, then he would sing this note loudly enough to cause the glass to fly into a thousand pieces. The same principle is involved when people incur these severe psychic shocks.

Q – What would be the effect where one has great emotional disturbances with the families?

A – This is what we are getting into in this problem of psychosomatics as the psychiatrist calls it. As we portrayed energy to you, these experiences are reflecting backward, a reverse process. As in the process of the television screen, the emotional disturbances reflect back into the psychic self. These vortexes of energy are of a very negative nature. These energies contain the intelligences of that experience. If it is negative, it reflects itself back to you. Everything actually resolves itself down into energy anyway, whether it is concept within your mind–that means convolutions or sine wave frequencies which exist from the generic process of thinking or in the evolution of life. Even the metabolism of the body is supported from the psychic body. After the energy has occurred in your psychic body, then all through your lives to follow, until it is canceled out, it continues to reflect back this negative quality. It blurs your picture of life for you so that you are not able to discriminate; you are not able to determine your true value of your relationship. You always have that little thing hanging around your neck like a millstone.

Q – How would one get rid of it?

A – Referring back to the life cycle–you have all of the things you need to know within the higher superconscious self. Not only that, but higher intelligences work with you from the higher spiritual planes. You can take this teaching into your everyday life and use it in everything about you. As we say, these are high spiritual forces, such as are coming to us from UN.AR.I.U.S.; such men as Leonardo da Vinci, Pythagoras, Plato and many others of these learned savants of the past.

Now if they could reflect this intelligence into your consciousness, you would be very glad, wouldn’t you?

Student: Indeed.

Teacher: If you could go to Plato’s academy tomorrow, you would go there, wouldn’t you? You are attending Plato’s Academy tonight.

Student: Yes, I have wondered about that; I thought I sensed such.

Teacher: Plato is one of the many working through this channel from UN.AR.I.U.S..

Q – Then the best way would be to call for help and meditate upon this teaching?

A – You do not necessarily need to call for help, but visualize and recognize yourself as a participating ingredient. In other words, you tune yourself in, in the same manner as you’d switch the television set from one station to another. You tune in, say channel 13, which has the highest vibrating frequency, which would be upstairs; or you can tune in to channel 2 which is the lowest, or in the level of earthly experiences. We do not call for help in this way; we do not approach these things in any other way except the positive, affirmative process or realization. We see the fluxes of the Infinite Mind flowing into us through the chakras and the centers at all times. We see Its Intelligence flowing into us. We do not attach the individuality or the personality to these great minds for they themselves do not put any importance on the personality but rather, through a higher concept of vibration. The individuality, as we have constructed it for ourselves here on earth, is merely a false ego structure along reactionary principles. In the higher dimensions, the ego does not exist in this form; it becomes an active participle or intelligence which is determined by its usefulness and by its many other factors. This is a much more highly developed concept.

Excerpt from The Infinite Concept Of Cosmic Creation – Lesson Five Q&A

See Part II here.