by Ernest L. Norman

ICCC Lesson 8 – Q & A

Q – Could we not use various colored lights and help mentally disturbed persons through vibration of color?

A – You can do anything if a person will believe in it!

Q – Without believing? I mean.

A – No, you cannot heal anyone with anything unless they first believe. First there must be the threshold of perception. Somewhere up in the spiritual dimensions, you may go out on some astral plane during the night when you have some physical ailment that needs curing and you have had no success with the medical men. So you go out into some astral plane and they tell you what can be done. They show it to you spiritually, so then in your Superconscious way—subconsciously through the processes of your mind—you link yourself up to such a relationship here on the earth plane or you believe that someone can cure you. You go to that doctor or person and will be healed, even though he may only give you some salt tablets. That is really what faith healing is; we have to start first inside before it can start elsewhere.

Q – In other words if I believe in this paper, it could heal me?

A – You could tear it up and put it on your cereal for breakfast and if you believed it, it would heal you. If you believed in it strongly enough, yes, and that is what it actually means for you cannot do anything unless you first have faith. We have to believe in anything before we can know it can happen.

Q – Conversely then, could it be that which is holding many people back from progressing because they have habit fixations of thought that hold them from believing?

A – That is true; and a little later on we will go into exorcism and obsessions and you will hear how these thought form bodies hold people down and how they attach themselves to the psychic. We will tell you how they have incurred what the psychiatrists call psychosomatic processes and psychic shocks which were incurred in the psychic bodies. They build up thought patterns around these persons and they become very obsessive. You know you can actually construct an ogre for yourself that will dominate your whole life and will do so for hundreds of years unless you learn how to tear that thing down and reconstruct it from positive energies.

You know all the devils in hell were not born; many were created out of the thoughts of people, if we can believe in the subastral dimensions or hells.

Q – Are there such places?

A – You know, I personally do not like to think about such things; it’s probable that there are but the more I can keep away from such a concept, the better I like it. However, we do know there are organizations of left-hand path workers and entities. It is rather an abstract equation. We say the Infinite (God) has become sinful simply because we’re using the Infinite as a necessary ingredient of expression or experience simply to learn something better as a basic or a foundation! If we go out here and do some overt act which is sinful and we realize our sin or error and we make a resolution not to do that anymore, that is repentance. That gives us a firm foundation so that we can put our foot upon that and that experience will not harm us further. Then that experience has been good. It has brought something good into our life which we apparently could not get any other way. So then how could we say whether the Infinite (or God) is sinful or whether He is always good, because we use God according to our threshold of perception because Infinity is part of us and working through us. That is how we are expressing these things infinitely and abstractly.

Q – As the universes keep constantly expanding, etc., why is it they do not intermingle with one another? What is it that keeps them apart like that?

A – Well, you see when you get upstairs and when you get a little further along the line, you will be able to see these things as I am trying to explain them to you on the blackboard. They integrate themselves according to frequency relationship–not according to whether you are male or female or whether you must go to a certain school or obey certain social structures and go along with the protocol of this material world. You automatically link yourself up and conceive the whole universe according to your ability, according to your frequency vibration. It is much different than it is here. Those are the things we are trying to teach here before you get up there. That is reverting back to our concept here of knowing about these things up in the spiritual worlds and then coming down here and learning how to use them in this plane.

Q – Palomar Observatory can take pictures of those worlds; can they actually see them?

A – They take pictures of the terrestrial planets, the terrestrial suns, but they do not take photographs of the spiritual planets because even though we picture the universe as some huge vast maelstrom of energy with countless trillions of suns and solar systems, it is comparatively very widely separated; it is not dense at all and within that are constantly expanding and contracting universes. In fact, that entire universe itself could only be one atom in the whole great big cosmic whirlpool that is beyond your concept. That whole universe that takes light something like 100,000 light years to travel from one side to the other at 186,000 miles per second is but one tiny little spot, as one atom in the mind of the Infinite. And there may be hundreds of billions or trillions more such atoms and universes; you can see how big it becomes!

Q – Perhaps most people have no conception of what the word infinite means?

A – No, they do not have. That is indeed true, because the Infinite is so infinite that we here are more concerned with introspection or the relationship and the elements that come into our lives in what we call the threshold of perception as experience. And in getting back again to this, I shall revert back to these concepts until we get them home to you because we have to learn one thing at a time, for as Kung Fu says, “The longest journey starts with the first step.” So we must learn these things along that pathway of life as they come to us; it is how we have determined them as infinite quotients in our life cycle because they are the exact polarities of the spiritual knowing. But we have to interrelate them into our lives through the terrestrial or the material plane through evolution, otherwise they do not mean anything to us because we function just as the Infinite does–the two polarities; we are oscillating back and forth–reciprocation.

We are trying to get these things all down in the printed form for you; and incidentally, the results that we are obtaining in putting these concepts into diagrams are quite remarkable for these abstractions are not the easiest things to bring down into this dimensional form, but we are drafting them so you can get a comprehensive understanding and I think the two ladies are doing a remarkable job on this.

Q – Is it the magnetic attraction that keeps two stars apart?

A – Well, this subject is not along the lines of tonight’s work, but what you are talking about–there are forces of attraction and repulsion which are based on these laws or principles of frequency relationship as I have explained to you. The forces which hold the earth in its orbit around the sun, just like other planets, are the same forces which control all the movements of all the stars and suns throughout the universe. We might call them centripetal forces and centrifugal forces, but actually they are obeying these lines of magnetic structures which stem from the central vortex because in those magnetic lines are certain very intelligent quotients; they are the determining forces of the Infinite Mind which keep these things revolving. They are the same forces that the flying saucers use, the spaceships use. Out of this little envelope of air we have around this world and right on down through this world for that matter, are tremendous forces; forces about which the scientists today know nothing. They have no concept of them. They are the same forces which hold the atoms in the earth and which hold the earth in its orbit, which hold the sun in its own particular orbit, as the sun proceeds at the rate of about 3,000 miles per minute outwardly toward the periphery or the rim of the vortex of the universe, leading its little cluster of planets like a mother hen leading her chicks.

Q – Then if man would be so foolish as to upset the equilibrium of this planet earth, won’t that affect it from then on and other planets as well?

A – Well, it might affect seriously, all dependent upon the severity of upset, etc. If we could create some kind of a great cosmic vibrator and project it and change the earth back into its trajectory, we’d be very foolish to do that, but as far as affecting the other planets, there would be some effect; that’s quite possible. It’s like pulling a nail out of your foot or pulling a tooth. I doubt whether that would be feasible simply from this standpoint; when man becomes intelligent enough to do such things as to move the earth, he’d be intelligent enough not to do it. If we give the scientists these principles today, it would be like giving sharp knives to babies because sooner or later someone would get those secrets who was not of the mental caliber of Oppenheimer.

Q – On the same basis, would not the Higher Minds prevent atomic wars and keep us from destroying everything here?

A – That, in itself, requires analysis and in such concept is that which we call our own birthright if you care to put it that way; it is based on our own threshold of perception. In other words, if we come into these worlds for the benefit of our experience—and which we do—it is our birthright to go through them. When anyone comes along the pathway sufficiently far that he is trying to be directive, he points the way and teaches truth but he does not become a dominating or controlling intelligence with those whom he is trying to teach. Man can always use this choice—for it is the experience and the lessons gained from these experiences whereby he really learns to become a more intelligent person. The Higher Spiritual Forces never dominate the minds of others against their will. Now, may the Infinite Blessings be with you.

Excerpt from The Infinite Concept of Cosmic Creation