Channeled by Mark Probert

The majority of the Disc phenomena are of etheric nature, or not of your time dimension. These beings may prove to be quite solid and capable of walking about on the earth, and they may claim to exist on Venus or any other planet, in or out of your solar system – but this does not imply that they are in their structural units humans of the same order as you earth people, or that they lack the ability to convert their seeming solids to invisible stuff at will. Nor does it disprove that they are Guardians not only of the earth but of the whole solar system in which your planet exists.

In speaking of etheric culture, you know of course that we must do so in a metaphysical way. There is considerable knowledge of the etheric worlds among secret occult Orders, but the lay mind knows nothing of this and can never know of it.

Etherian culture may mean little more than a fantasy to you, but if you pursue the subject you will come to understand that your world of matter is really a rarefaction of the ether, spawned into being by the forces of Involution, not of Evolution, and that it came out of the Etheric. Man himself is an etheric being and a space being. Long before your earth came into form man was moving from one planet and one solar system to another.

These people are Guardians and move from one planet to another. If one said that he ‘came from Venus’ he was giving a kind of general direction – as you might say, ‘I came from the Middle West’. Their forms are different while in passage on account of gravitational pulls and other conditions.

These craft come for what purpose? Primarily to make notes on the physical condition of the earth itself, as well as the state of advancement of your scientific approach to life. Whenever a civilization reaches a great state of advancement in every line, that civilization has reached its peak — and I do not know why the present civilization should think it is any different from any other civilization and escape decay — or, to put it better — change.

When these Etherians gather as much information as needed, they hold it until such time as that civilization falls. And when another starts to rise again and after it has attained a certain degree of advancement, these things are handed down to the Earth people again through the channels of mystic organizations.

There is much to learn, friends – much! A great philosopher once said, (and I don’t mean to be trite about it) ‘It is later than you think.’ Does that sound ominous? I don’t mean it that way; it is only that each one of you has not much time for awakening to the greatness of yourselves.

Here is something else we wish you to think upon: For many years now, most of your scientists who go into the investigation of physical phenomena have not seemed to realize that the “matter” which goes to make up the shape and forms on the unseen level is much denser than the matter on the physical plane. It is assumed that, because your solids can be turned into liquids, and then into gases, and that certain of these gases become invisible to the physical eye — due to wider separation of their component parts and the greater oscillation of their atomic motion — that a similar condition exists on other planes of consciousness. If this were so, how could a disembodied entity take your physical matter and spread it over his body? No, this could not be done if your matter were heavier and denser than ours. One could not spread heavier and denser matter on other matter that was less dense than itself. It could not hold up under the strain…

The fact is, however, that the electronic bodies that whirl around the atom or nucleus of our matter are gathered closer to the nucleus, due to the lowering of heat radiation from the nucleus. This constriction of the electronic field of our atom gives our bodies a greater density and elasticity in comparison to yours. It also explains why our atom of matter can pass right on through the electronic field of the atom of your matter without disturbing its field.

The teleportation of matter and the act of bringing one form of matter through another seems to cause a great amount of amazement among you. The facts are, however, that both of these forms of activity are normal functions in nature. When you discover, as you will in time, how closely interrelated are mind and matter, or the various planes of the unseen and your physical-chemical world, you will then understand the many methods of teleportation.

One of these methods is the reduction of a physical body, animate or inanimate, to its etheric state by the condensing of its atomic structure. In this form it can be transported to any point in or throughout the vast universe. As a rule, teleportation is the work of etheric beings, though sometimes of an advanced discarnate spirit, and at other times it is accomplished by foolish spirit beings who have learned how to manipulate physical matter and who, not knowing the great good they could do with that knowledge, squander their energy by using it to frighten or amuse those still in the body. Your “spirit” in the “Bell Witch” case, however, was not a discarnate entity but an etheric being who had been cast down into the Low Etheric from the High Etheric plane. He had a great deal of good as well as evil in him. He had committed some unpardonable deeds, and was therefore cast out of his high state for a given period of time. So he spoke truth when he said that he had roamed Heaven and Hell for millions of years. His “Hell” was the coming down into the Low Etheric.

Man, in any state, is a child of impulse. We all act in and by impulse, but sometimes we let go and allow these little motions in thought to drive us to what eventually proves our undoing.

Now, let us turn back to the topic of matter and some of its different forms of activity. In reducing formed matter to a formless state, you are merely sending it back a few stages to its original condition, but there is no physical scientist who knows how to take it back to its original condition; for if he could accomplish this, the bit of substance that he so reduced would escape him entirely, and the only machine that could bring it back to the place where he could come into physical contact with it again would be through the mind of certain individuals, working in conjunction with the brain.

In reducing a solid to a gas you are not causing that substance to be anything other than it was before; you are merely breaking up and scattering its component parts, thereby giving it different shape or form. Ice and invisible steam are not two different things, but the same thing in a different rate of motion of its parts.

The more a physical-chemical substance is divided, the more dense its remaining parts become, and therefore the greater must be the force or work done on it to split it again. The reason for this condition seems to be that the gravitational pressure of the ether, in which all matter floats, becomes greater as the parts are divided. The raising of this pressure is always equal to the part taken away. This is why it has taken such tremendous force to split your atom.

It must also be known that the more matter is divided and subdivided, the greater the radiation heat it creates within itself. Never can matter be reduced to the point of one. All nature works with two or more energies and forces working in harmony — and when I use the word “two” I do so figuratively; for truly the act of division, in its deeper sense, is maya, or illusion, for we can never really either divide or add to anything. All we can do is to bring about a changed condition of activity. And if we bring about this change before its natural time, we will have to hold on constantly to the method we used to make that change, or that which was so changed will automatically revert to its original state.

One of the deepest mysteries that confronts scientific minds is the origin of matter. I am afraid this is not a problem that can be answered by your physical science, but rather by metaphysical science; and I am sure the latter would say matter has no point of origin, as man understands that word origin. Matter just is. Let us suppose, however, that there was such a thing as a point in space out of which matter was spawned, the point itself would have to be of some kind of matter which man could recognize and comprehend. And, again, whether this point were submicroscopic in size or a hundred billion miles extending in all directions, one could not say that its location in space was here or there unless there was another body standing somewhere in relation to it. When we consider this, we can then understand to a better degree why a dot or a point cannot, of itself, have an existence.

However, this is true also of a line or a plane, for a line consists of a series of dots, and a plane a series of lines that are made up of dots. If, then, a dot or a point is non-existent in itself, the same must be true of a line or a plane. Therefore, matter can only be a production of the mind.

(Q.) Would you say that all of these sky craft come from the etheric region of some particular planet? Answer: I most assuredly would.

(Q.) And will you tell us which planet’? Answer: I think, Venus — in fact, those who constructed these so-called ‘Disc ships’ copied the design of their craft after the body Venus with its outer vibrating disc or ring.

(Q.) Are we to infer that the disc-type of craft came, then, from the etheric region of Venus? Answer: Yes.

(Q. And the others come from other planets? Mars, for example? Answer: Yes, from the planets —

(Q.) And our Earth, from the etheric region of our Earth? Answer: They must pass through the etheric region of your Earth, of course, and to do so must have the permission of the Etherians. Each comes from its own particular rate of vibration which is an unseen pattern of the seen body.

(Q, Do they come from all the planets of our system? Answer: Yes, they come very readily. These craft have often crossed what you call the Milky Way.

(Q.) That means the distances they travel are thousands of light years — how can that be? Answer: I think my honorable colleague Rama Ka Lo tried to point out that these craft are not what may be termed a solid. Their solidity is formed according to where they are going, what their mission is, and the particular body in the heavens which they are approaching. As they come into the sphere of attraction of that body, they have to make their vibration conform to that of the body.

(Q.) Yes, small particles weighing very little on one planet might weigh a ton on another –

(Q.) May I ask something else about these ‘ether ships’? Suppose one of these crafts leaves, say, Arcturus or Orion and transits into our etheric — what is it that passes? It is not any stuff that we know of.

(A.) Most assuredly not. It is matter so formed that its, shall I say behaviorism, its motion pattern can be and is driven at the speed of light, and beyond. Light is not the fastest thing. You say light travels at 186,000 miles per second; add 500 to that and you will have it yet closer. Yet, under the direction of the — for the want of another word — operative force of mind, here and there does not exist. 186,000 miles, and then I say 500 more a second! Doesn’t that prove it is an ever-continuing now? Can anyone conceive of such speed, really? But still you lay down a law, and all your people learn that law. Of course, you must have a theory of some kind — but to be dogmatic, as some of your scientists are, about any law shows lack of intelligence on the part of that scientist. Sir, if there was nobody here and nobody there and this was a vast void, where would here and there be? —

Your conventional physics has led man to believe that three dimensional form is real and substantial. But your more learned physicist will tell you that a physical-chemical object is rarefied to the point of being ninety per cent space, or what is known as nothingness, and that that which is called space or the ether is extremely more dense than any known substance. The reason for this seems to lie in the fact that no two atoms of which form is made touch one another, and that, relatively speaking, their distances from one another can be compared with those separating your heavenly bodies. And that which holds them together or drives them farther apart is called the field of attraction and repulsion, or positive and negative poles. Now, you can take a bar of iron which may seem real and very solid to your eyes and sense of touch, but which is as porous as a piece of sponge, and if you heat this bar, you will find it will at first start to bend and then to run like water. Why? Simply because heat steps up the vibratory rate of its molecules, thus creating a greater negative field than existed in it while cold. This drives the molecules farther apart. Now, while you have changed the form called a “bar” of iron, you have not in any way changed the substance called iron because it has become liquid. You may change it all into vapor but it will still remain “iron” vapor. Now all this latter is well-known even by the schoolboy; I wish only to make clear that a human body contains all the known elements; and the mind in deep meditation knows how, with the aid of breath and the kundalini forces, to segregate the necessary chemicals from the body and project them into the thought-form mold, thereby creating a three dimensional object.

If your men of science hope to understand more clearly the phenomena of life, they will have to come sooner or later to the realization that this thing which we call ‘space-time’ is not in its true nature an objective over-all element, but a very subjective personified activity that is projected from the self in compact, extremely minute impulses. On the gross earth plane these impulses are what you call chemical particles – called this simply because the nuclear structure of these impulses can be so arranged as to form what you think of as matter – however, only the kind that is suited for your three-dimensional way of thinking. But deep within the gross matter field there lies a more subtle field known as the etheric plane. It is from this next higher vibratory rate that solidified matter draws its energy that keeps it functioning in the physical world. When a physical body of any kind starts to deteriorate and go through the state you call “death”, it is because the channels through which it absorbs this etheric energy have failed, for one cause or another. The energy-matter that went to make up that particular body will go through many forms before it again flows back into its original state of formless matter.

All that man sees is matter in motion, and then almost always only one phase of it.

When seemingly strange phenomena, such as odd-looking aircraft and countless other things come to your notice, you can be assured that it is one form of matter merging with another that has an affinity or strong pull of attraction for it. Sometimes the force of attraction is so great that the speed at which they meet causes them to do what you call explode. An explosion is but one of the many ways that one dimension has of merging with another by sudden and violent breakdown, or deterioration, and almost instant regrouping to form new substance.

Concerning the “little men” observed at ‘disc’ landings:

The universe swarms with life of many kinds. Some planets have inhabitants much like yourselves, but on others they differ much in size, weight, density, and other characteristics. There are giants and pygmies and all sizes between. Among your sky visitors there are some who come from planets and others who come from space. (By ‘space’ the communicator does not mean vacuity, but rather the enormously dense ethers which equate with space.)

Excerpt from The Coming Of The Guardians by Meade Layne

See Part I here, Part III here.